Saturday, 29 January 2011

Bits and bobs.

Found a couple of stories which I thought might entertain you guys that visit us here at the Potteries Community Federation, feel free to laugh.

This one from the Daily Mail.


Better in than out: African country set to make breaking wind a crime

By Colin Fernandez
Last updated at 10:36 AM on 28th January 2011



Causing a stink: The government of Malawi, led by Dr Bingu wa Mutharika, are planning to outlaw breaking wind

Causing a stink: The government of Malawi, led by Dr Bingu wa Mutharika, are planning to outlaw breaking wind






Breaking wind is set to be made a crime in an African country.

The government of Malawi plan to punish persistent offenders 'who foul the air' in a bid to 'mould responsible and disciplined citizens.'

But locals fear that pinning responsibility on the crime will be difficult - and may lead to miscarriages of justice as 'criminals' attempt to blame others for their offence.

One Malawian told the website Africanews.com: 'My goodness. What happens in a public place where a group is gathered. Do they lock up half a minibus?

'And how about at meetings where it is difficult to pinpoint 'culprits'?

'Children will openly deny having passed bad air and point at an elder. Culturally, this is very embarrassing,' she said.

Another said: 'We have serious issues affecting Malawians today. I do not know how fouling the air should take priority over regulating Chinese investments which do not employ locals, serious graft amongst legislators, especially those in the ruling party, and many more.'

The crime will be enforceable in a new 'Local Court' system which will also have powers to punish a range of other crimes in the bill set to be debated in the country's parliament.

These include insulting the modesty of a woman, challenging to fight a duel, and trespassing on a burial place.

It also outlaws pretending to be a fortune teller, according to local press in the country.

Opposition leaders complain the new courts will be 'kangaroo courts'.


Next up is this one I found on the Brutal Britain site, it's from the Telegraph.:)


Man hunted after sex attack on lamb




Tuesday, 25 January 2011

A man was spotted carrying out an indecent attack on a lamb which was later found dead, police said today.

The alleged assault took place in a field near Silverknowes Road in Edinburgh on Sunday morning.

The man is reported to be in his 20s, although police have not issued any description of the suspect.

Officers hunting for the culprit said investigations were also taking place to find out whether the farm animal's death was linked to the incident.

A police spokesman urged anyone with information to contact them immediately.

He said: "Lothian and Borders Police are investigating after a male was seen performing an indecent act on a lamb.

"The suspect fled the scene after being disturbed, at which time the lamb was found to be dead.

"Inquiries are now under way to determine whether the animal's death is linked to the incident."

Don't have nightmares, but do enjoy your Sunday dinner- but not in the biblical sense!

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Wednesday, 26 January 2011

Trough snufflers.



Lord Taylor of Warwick is looking down the barrel of a prison sentence for being a thieving little piggy lord, and it bloody well serves him right!

I nearly vomited listening to his billshut excuses on the TV, despite being caught stealing from the British taxpayers, he was still trying to peddle the myth that he was an honourable man!
He doesn't know the meaning of the word honourable, I'm surprised it doesn't stick in his craw.

When no-one falls for thias fallacy, he comes out with that age old excuse that everybody else was doing it so why shouldn't he! I'll tell you why you shouldn't do it you moron, theft is against the law, it is a criminal act punishable by gaol time, and because you clearly don't understand, let me enlighten you. This is not the behaviour expected of someone who is supposed to represent the British public!

Across the spectrum of political representation, from local to international, this idea that greed, theft, lying and cheating are acceptable forms of behaviour from our so called representatives, needs straightening out by the British electorate, who need to vote out of office those who are promoting their own destructive agenda, instead of doing what is best for the British people.

Vote these pigs out, and let's get this city, and this country, back on track!

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Sunday, 23 January 2011

Crooked government, crooked unions.

I've been a harsh critic of the corrupt practises of both Tory and Labour governments, and whilst having a bit of a sort out of the paperwork that clutters up my daily life, I came across this piece from the Times.




The Government is giving the Trades Union Congress millions of pounds from its foreign aid budget to pay for the education of British trade unionists and to support advocacy work in Britain.

The payments by the Department for International Development (DfID), which include a £2.4 million grant, are evidence of a deepening relationship between the DfID and the TUC, which is being urged to help the government department to set development priorities.

The new grant, for 2009-11, is made under the Partnership Programme Arrangement (PPA). This is a system of funding set up to support dedicated aid charities, such as Oxfam or ActionAid, that have a record in international development.

The TUC has been offered a PPA despite an independent review of the DfID’s development advocacy work that examined the department’s relationship with the TUC and found “little evidence regarding the effectiveness of the individual projects”. The money awarded under the PPA, of which the TUC has already received an instalment of £900,000, is not confined to work in developing countries. The memorandum of understanding between the DfID and the TUC indicates that among its key aims is advocacy, specifically “activities to build support for development in the United Kingdom that are likely to contribute to a reduction in poverty in other countries”.

According to International Policy Network, which today publishes a report on the TUC’s relationship with the DfID, A Closer Union, the labour organisation has benefited from three grants from the taxpayer since 2003 totalling £3.6 million, including the current PPA. The earlier payments were intended to raise awareness within the British union movement of international development issues.

A key purpose of the deepening relationship between the DfID and the TUC is to share strategic objectives and bring the two organisations closer together at a policy level. The partnership seeks to incorporate DfID’s development goals into TUC policy but it also envisages a TUC role in setting DfID policy. The latter emerges in the Performance Framework of the PPA, a document agreed by the department and the TUC that lists the strategic objectives of the grant and criteria for assessing whether they have been accomplished. The document’s preamble states: “The TUC is the voice of Britain at work”, and that it is a “key influencer in British society”.

Two objectives relate to activity in developing countries, including raising the “capacity” of foreign trade unions to enforce workers’ rights. The two other objectives relate to advocacy and policy-making, such as “Greater British trade union membership, understanding of and commitment to sustainable development” and “strengthened UK and developing country trade union international development policy”.

When asked why the Government was using money earmarked for aid to developing countries to pay British trade unions, a DfID spokesman said: “The TUC performs vital work in protecting workers in the developing world from exploitation and improving their often hazardous working conditions.” The spokesman added that the grant would be used “largely for development assistance
”.

Have you ever heard such billshut in your life? What the hell is a British trade union doing lining foreign workers up for British jobs??
And why would the totally corrupt marxists of the Labour party be handing millions of pounds of taxpayers money to equally corrupt, and equally communist, trade unions?

Take a look at who the trade unions fund. The UAF, Hate Music, Love Drugs, antifa, Searchlight, and other far left propagandists for the government and the PC liberal movement currently afoot in this country!

Corrupt government using public money to fund third party posters and pressure groups, and they have the nerve to call us nationalists names!!

The question is, is Camerons pretend government still paying this money?
He isd still listed on the UAF site as a supporter, so there is every reason to suspect this man is still abusing his position by misusing public funds to pay for the violent favours of the far left.

We need to change the system and those that currently infect it, so encourage all those you know to vote in May, and don't accept any BS excuses!

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Friday, 21 January 2011

Camerons propagandist muslim strikes again!

Sayeeda Warsi is a pain in the arse, and I am thoroughly fed up with seeing her fat face on the TV. She's doing some talk in Leicester that no-ones heard of and even less are interested in, so to round up a little media coverage, this muslim muppet starts whining on about what a bad deal her fellow wife beaters and child fondlers gwet from the people of this country.

There's a very simple, very straightforward answer to that,
if you don't like it here........the airports that way!

The bestowing of a British honour on this unelected numpty is deeply offensive, and she has done nothing to earn it apart from bowing to Camerons request for her not to stand as a candidate in the elections as there was already another muslim standing!

For agreeing to not stand, she's given the title Baroness, and in 2010, Cameron the socialist makes her Tory party Chairman, not bad for some Yorkshire immigrant mill worker.

One of her backers in the 2005 general election was the Labour peer, Lord Ahmed, another bloody immigrant given a British title. He killed a man in a car crash when he was driving his Range Rover down the motorway whilst texting on his mobile!
Yet his prison sentence ran to a few weeks, and they didn't remove the title given to him, a title he shouldn't have because he isn't British.

Just to show you what a complete and utter tosspot Cameron really is, take a look at this;

http://www.conservativemuslimforum.com/

The LibLabCon are one and the same, three parties peddling the same tired old policies of globalism, socialism, and immigration.

Don't say you weren't warned.

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Wednesday, 19 January 2011

"United strength is stronger."

The title of this piece is the motto of Stoke-on-Trent, and it comes as a timely reminder to those of us that like England as it was, not how it has become, that if we are to succeed in taking back our country, this is the direction we should be moving in.

There is a common thread of beliefs that run through most, if not all, nationalist groups, for instance, we all want immigration stopped and reversed, we all want out of the money pit that is the EU. I haven't come across a nationalist group that doesn't want the return of the death penalty and corporal punishment. or the teaching of British history, or properly qualified teachers.

Then there is agreement on lower fuel prices, on the immediate end to foreign aid in its current guise, on becoming more self sufficient by the extension of our agricultural production, and the bringing home of our armed forces personnel from conflicts that have nothing whatsoever to do with us.



We would reinstate our territorial waters and our border controls, we would see an end to the foreign trespass that sees our fish stocks depleted to dangerously low levels, we would all like to see some kind of national/community service for all school leavers.

There is a hell of a long list upon which we are agreed, and sitting and talking about it in this fashion is certain to bring others to the fore that haven't been mentioned, this is why it's worth the effort of trying!

Taking to the streets is equally important, doing it with more than one group involved is vital.
Look at the differences between the EDL and BNP, but although the BNP is for the United Kingdom and the EDL is just for England, how does that stop you from supporting them? You, like they, want England clear of this endless influx of third worlders, so we should support what they do that we agree with.

Nation state parties can and should support and promote single nation parties because the aims are the same, return these immigrants from where they came, drastically reduce the population numbers so we can have some kind of quality of life.

I have no understanding of Griffins reasons for banning support of the EDL for BNP members,or all other nationalist groups for that matter, and I similarly don't understand the stance of the EDL leadership in being so anti-nationalist. This fight we face is bigger than the egos of those making the decisions, which is another reason for getting together and sorting out some basic ground rules.

Take a look at the things in common I listed above, because I don't think we realise just how much we do have in common. Education, the economy, the EU, law and order, housing, benefits, farming, Christ, the number of areas upon which we agree is enough for a unified manifesto!

We cannot give in to the defeatism of those that say it can't be done, we're too different.

Bollocks.

We are all nationalists, it's just that some want to see the United Kingdom strike as one, whilst others say each nation should decide for themselves what they want, and I'm OK with that. If they decide they want what we want, then we should aid them in any way possible, because helping them achieve their ends is helping us achieve ours.

Until the fractured nature of nationalist politics is repaired, and we gather together to push in the same direction, we will not achieve what it is we all want, freedom from the oppression of this continual flood of immigration which is diluting our communities, freedom from the fascism of an establishment that constantly ignores the wants and needs of the electorate in favour of its own agenda, and most of all, the freedom of an indigenous people to live in their ancestral lands, in peace, and without fear of displacement.

Concentrate on what binds us together, not the differences that separate us, and we can be victorious.

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Monday, 17 January 2011

Tales of a vicars wife- a letter from Birmingham.

Some things hit you with such force that it is impossible to ignore them, this letter from a vicars wife in Birmingham is one of those things.

Read what she has to say about life in Englands second city, and then tell me you agree with what's being done in this country by this vile and traitorous political establishment.


Mole Special: A Stranger in My Own Land
ANONYMOUS
January/February 2011


I have just returned to London, where I have lived since I was 11. I have been away for four years, living as an ethnic minority in a monocultural part of the world, amassing a host of stories to tell to disbelieving friends. On the whole, I am glad to return. I shan't miss some locals' assumptions that, being a white woman, if I was outside after dark, as I occasionally was, usually to walk the few metres between my house and the church, I must be a prostitute eager to give them a blow job. I shan't miss the abuse my priest husband received: the daubing of "Dirty white dogs" in red paint on the church door, the barrage of stones thrown at him by children shouting "Satan". He was called a "f***ing white bastard" more than once, though, notably, never when in a cassock. I will also not miss the way our garden acted as the local rubbish dump, with items ranging from duvets and TV sets, to rats (dead or twitching) glued to cardboard strips, a popular local method of vermin control to stem the large numbers of them which scuttled between the rubbish piled in gardens and on pavements. Yes, I am very glad to have left Britain's second city.




For four years, we lived in inner-city Birmingham, in what has been a police no-go area for 20 years. We know that because some plain-clothed cops told us when they asked to use our vicarage as a stake-out to bust drugs rings that pervade the area. Having heard a parishioner's tales of what his neighbours did to him when he was wrongfully suspected of having grassed up a cock-fighting ring, we refused, explaining that we had to live here, they didn't. Even during this time we saw the area change. When we arrived, the population was predominantly Pakistani. Now Somalis are there in equal number. Most of the run-down Irish pubs were turned into mosques during our time.

As a woman, it was difficult for me to gain many first-hand impressions of the Muslims. I was generally ignored by both men and women, and on the rare occasion that I had to interact, when for example a car was parked illegally and blocking my gate, I was addressed as if inconsequential. My husband, however, faithfully reported conversations which you may find somewhat alarming. One of our favourite dinner-party pieces is this: opposite our vicarage there is a "library" which has some computers, some burkas and occasionally tracts that say offensive things about Jews and Christians. My husband did his photo-copying there, and got on rather well with everybody. One day he was chatting to a man with a passing resemblance to Lawrence of Arabia, who had just arrived from Antwerp — one of an increasing number of Muslims who are arriving here with EU passports. He asked him why he had come to Birmingham. He was surprised at the question: "Everybody know. Birmingham — best place in Europe to be pure Muslim." Well, there must be many places in Europe where Muslims are entirely free to practise their faith, but I suspect there are few places in which they can have so little contact with the civic and legal structure of a Western state if they choose. It seems to be particularly easy to "disappear" if that is their intention. A parishioner once described a lorry pulling up outside his house, the side opening to reveal stacked mattresses full of sleepy, and presumably illegal, immigrants, who staggered out into broad Brummie daylight. We heard tales of how houses are exchanged for cash payments in our area. An untaxed car was once clamped by a frightened-looking official at 8am, but within hours the owner of the vehicle had organised the clamps to be sawn off, and he sped away.

Another instance of separation from the Western world is revealed in the following: my husband frequently chatted to a neighbour who could be described as one of the more questioning Muslims, and who has often provided an insight into the locals' mindset. Even this man, however, believes what the whole community thinks: the 9/11 planes were organised by Jews. Everybody knows there were no Jewish people in the World Trade Centre that day, as they had been tipped off. Oh, and the Mumbai terrorists had been kidnapped and brainwashed by Indian people. The tendency towards denial is strong. When my husband mentioned the "dirty white dogs" graffiti to a local Muslim, the response was, "One of your people did it." I have to say that the police's response was no better when the local Methodists complained about the same thing. They chose not to believe it had happened, since we had removed all sign of it with the buckets of anti-graffiti chemicals we had stocked since we arrived. They asked, somewhat pathetically: "Are you sure it was racist?"

To a London reader, born and bred with multiculturalism, I know that my stories may come across as outlandish and exaggerated, and that I must surely be a BNP voter — I have observed people's expressions as they have listened to my tales of life in Brum. When I recently told a friend how a large Taliban flag fluttered gaily on a house near St Andrew's football stadium for some months, her cry of "Can't you tell the police?" made me reflect how far many of our inner cities have been abandoned by our key workers: our doctors and nurses drive in from afar, the police, as mentioned before, have shut down their stations and never venture in unless in extremis — they and ambulance crews have been known to be attacked — even the local Imam lives in a leafier area.

Only the priest remains, if you can get one — the thriving but clerically-vacant church down the road has had no applicant in two years. In their absence, we get stabbings that never make the news, dog- and cock-fighting rings, cars torched as pranks and cars used for peddling heroin. (One of the more amusing moments of our time came when a local lad provided one reason people often gave us stares when we drove past such deals: "Two white people wearing seatbelts — you've got to be cops.") In their absence, we simply have the witness of those who are unlikely to be heard, who, through a variety of unfortunate circumstances, have not been able to move out: the elderly, the infirm, the illiterate, the chronically poor. Indeed, some of the Muslim residents deeply regret the flight of the non-Muslim population. It is they who now have to live in a crime-ridden ghetto.

On holiday in Germany recently, we watched a TV documentary about how schools were coping with Essen's growing Muslim community, and how the community itself felt. When it was over, we turned to each other, and said simultaneously (a drawback of having been married for a while), "This could not have been made in Britain." At the moment, also in Germany, the whole country is debating Thilo Sarrazin's controversial book Deutschland schafft sich ab ("Germany abolishes itself"), in which the author — a former member of the board of the Bundesbank and the German Social Democrats — examines research about immigrant communities and then makes specific recommendations about the integration of the Muslim community. I have only seen scant reference to this in the British press, which usually dismisses it, wrongly and lazily in my view, as good old German racism. This has nothing whatsoever to do with race. The Muslim community in Birmingham, for instance, is made up of people from many continents and races, including Afghans, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Indians and Somalis.

There is no doubt in my mind that we need to have the same openness in discussing what is happening to many cities in Britain. If current demographic trends continue over the next few decades, the West Midlands, as well as other parts of the country, will become a predominantly Muslim area. Much more needs to be done to integrate the communities among whom I lived, and we need to be much less negligent of our own values too. Frankly, if we happened to walk down Broad Street on a Friday night, where mobs of identically undressed and mostly aesthetically unpleasing gals and lads were on the piss and pull, it was almost a relief to drive back to our ghetto enclave.

It is time to rub the rime from our eyes and to look clearly at the shape of Britain today. Everyone living here needs to be able to talk about what they see, without the lazy or fearful, but certainly paralysing, accusation of racism. Only then will we be able to discern what is best for the future.
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Anonymous
January 17th, 2011
9:01 AM

>>>Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Royal Ballet Company, The Rep Theatre, NIA, Symphony Hall, Hippodrome, Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery, The Ikon Gallery, The Barber Institue, The Custard Factory, German Christmas Market, St Patrick's Day Parade... Need I continue?<<< Detroit used to have a similar array of attractions.

curmudgeon
January 16th, 2011
7:01 PM

anonymous, jan 4, and jan 8th, tell it like it is. the most pertinent thing may be that they have to be anonymous to tell the truth. FScarn, jan 14, as another from usa, i wish to warn you that your superior attitude towards the cowardly shortsighted, politically correct, suicidal british way of dealing with muslim immigration is not justified. in the usa, we are ruled by the same cowardly, politically correct suicidal traitors that have destroyed britain, only we are a few years behind in achieving the necessary critical mass of muslims. our demise is as inevitable as that of europe. once a nation descends into the hellhole of islam, there is no reprieve. our children will cry out in their misery, rattle the chains of their slavery, and curse the fools that traded freedom from islam for freedom to not be called islamophobic, and got neither.

Laban Tall
January 16th, 2011
5:01 PM

Sounds a bit like Coventry Road to me - or maybe Sparkbrook.

Anonymous
January 15th, 2011
9:01 PM

Yes but since you have left this area why is your article written anonymously. You are presumably not now physically afraid but you are unwilling to be seen to be non politically correct.

FaintingGoatSyndrome
January 15th, 2011
4:01 PM

Perhaps I am more sensitised to it, but it seems to me that Jack Straw's frank and very true statement about the culpability of the Muslim culture for some Pakistanis believing that they have the right to groom under age white girls for sex purposes has given heart to those of us who have seen this coming for decades. Multiculturalism is not synonymous with the privileging of one culture over others, but in the hands of successive and spineless UK governments it is akin to cowardice. I agree that everyone needs to be able to talk about what they see, and to this end I would recommend the articles at the following links: http://cifwatch.com/2011/01/14/do-not-go-gentle-into-that-good-night%E2%... http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/free-thought/how-islam-fascinates-t... It's time for us all to wake up and naming spineless capitulation to Islam exactly for what it is, rather than dressing it up in "mutliculti", warm and fuzzy mindless acceptance, is a vital prerequisite.

Colin Hawken
January 15th, 2011
3:01 PM

If the day comes that the BNP gains power in the UK,will anyone really be surprised? Look back at history.Remember Adolf Hitler and how he came to power quite legally.Be very sure,if popitical opinion in the UK crystalises,it will swing hard right not left.

JD
January 15th, 2011
11:01 AM

A very good article, and one I understand very well. I lived in Birmingham (Edgbaston) and in Walsall, and despite being a black, Englishman (born in Peterborough), living in Brum was hellish, as it was constantly a case of feeling like I was the "outsider", versus so many Muslim and other immigrants. At least the Polish immigrants try to integrate with others. Muslims, in general, just seem to want to all live together, work together, socialise together, but not with anyone outside of their own little group. Then, when people don't want to be around them, use their services, work with them, or live within their "communities" (that they themselves have created), they get angry and claim everyone in Britain is racist and anti-Muslim! I have no problem with anyone from any nation. I only ask that you treat me as you wish to be treated yourself. Sadly, whilst living in Norfolk, it's the same here. Muslims don't want to integrate with others, and create their own "ghettoised" communities, and complain when British people who work and live here, don't want an unused building turned into a mosque, Muslim meeting area, etc. It frustrates me, that many Muslism seem to think that integration is a one-way-street: that others have to integrate with them, even though they are the immigrants, and not us. Also, people all over the world, are fed-up of Muslims taking over areas of their country, areas they've lived in all of their lives, and see them being turned into mini-Muslim towns, with Muslim stores, Muslim businesses, mosques, etc, etc. People also loathe the idea that we should be tolerant of Muslims, but it is acceptable for Muslim's to not tolerate others! Why is this? Muslim rhetoric comes across as "You're either with us or against us." That "Islam is the only truth, and everything else is rubbish." I'm sorry, but that's not how I see the world, and the people in it. There is no one, individual truth, or way. Muslims need to accept that integration is a two-way street, and they need to accept certain Western cultural ideals, if they want us to accept certain Muslim ideals! This is not an anti-Muslim post, nor a denonuncement of all Muslims or followers of Islam. It's simply my view that Britain is becoming segregated and ghettoised by vast Muslim immigration, which then refuses to integrate with the people already living in places like Birmingham, Manchester, London, Norfolk, etc.

Pali
January 15th, 2011
11:01 AM

I have a Sikh friend who is currently caring for an elderly relative in an area that used to be mixed but is now almost totally Muslim. Because they are Sikh they receive low level harassment from local Muslim men. They have had anti-Sikh graffiti scrawled on their property. Their car has been urinated on, scratched, had milk bottles placed under the front wheels concealed under newspapers. He has almost been beaten up on a couple of occasions when going to the cornershop to buy a pint of milk. He does not wear a turban, but when his cousin visits, who does wear a turban, he is subjected to obscenities and taunts about his religion - Sikh sister-f**ker, and his turban is mocked. My friend experienced the worst of the NF and the skinheads in the 1970's and 1980's. So he knows what he is talking about. He now feels as I do, totally accepted and respected in Britain amongst white people. Islam is triumphalist in Birmingham. He is now planning to sell the house and move his elderly relative to a safe area as soon as he can.

Anonymous
January 15th, 2011
12:01 AM

As a secularist atheist I have only respect for this writer and her husband keeping their civil role under such circumstances. They both have the right to express their beliefs and to be offered protection by the police, and I am deeply depressed that neither they, nor their elderly and poor neighbours (nor law abiding Muslims) could be sure of safety. It is time for people of all beliefs and none to recognise that these are cultural and subcultural issues - and nothing to do with any beliefs 'considered sacred' - just confident bullies who will bully any group whom they can, going un-policed and unpunished. Reclaim the country - keep the flame of the Enlightenment burning bright.

Gladiatrix
January 14th, 2011
10:01 PM

I would be interested if the author and her husband ever spoke to a lawyer about the disappearance of the police. They should have done and then written to the Chief Constable threatening to sue the West Midlands Police for breach of duty of care and breach of statutory duty under the Police Act for not doing the job they are paid for.

This article and others can be found at the following address;

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/3650/full

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Sunday, 16 January 2011

I thought I'd throw some interesting facts on the table today, stuff you might not have come across before, but which will have a massive effect on the lives of you, your friends, and your family.

This is from the EU Truth website, and is written by the brilliant David Noakes.

Enjoy.











Examples of how our lives have degraded since we've been in the EU:

In the EU, (which means in Britain) government is above the law.
The EU's corpus juris now pervades right through our legal system. A policeman was let off by magistrates this year (2005) for driving his private car at 159 mph in Ludlow, Shrops. Under Corpus Juris the government are above the law and cannot be prosecuted The judge ruled correctly under EU law. 45,000 police officers got off speed cameras in this way in 2004, although their speeding killed 44 innocent people. (Daily Mail 27.12.05.)

EU "monitoring Officers" have the right to dismiss our Councillors.

The Local Government Act of 2000 empowered the head of the EU government in England, the Office of the Deputy Prime Minster (ODPM) to appoint a monitoring officer to spy on every council. If an elected councillor disagrees with the EU or government line, the unelected "Standards Board for England" can suspend him for up to five years. An example is in Cambridgeshire, where the ODPM has threatened cllr Alex Riley with suspension if he attends any debate discussing the ODPM's plans to build a new town of 20,000 people called Nothstowe on his ward. The ODPM has the conflict of interest here; but its powers are becoming absolute.

We have lost the right to freedom
The EU arrest warrant (signed by the Queen on 18th November 2003) allows us to be arrested without charge and held indefinitely with no right to see a solicitor, make a phone call, or even a right to a trial. You can simply disappear.

Under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act (SOCPA) 2005, we can now be arrested and held in the cells by any police officer for any petty offence, like dropping litter. Before it had to be an offense that carried a 5 year jail term. This also applies to all of the EU's 107,000 regulations. Do you know them all?

The Civil Contingences Act 2004 allows government to confiscate anything you possess permanently; you have no right to object. This includes your house. It also gives government the right to forceably move its population around to different locations; you can be left with no place to call your own and live like a refugee. The only check and balance here is a Minister just needs to utter the words "This is a national emergency." If a demonstration or strike government doesn't like is being organised, they can cut off all communications in a town - phones, mobiles, the internet, TV, and block all access to that town including closing roads and railways. It has all the powers and more of Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933.

We have lost the right to free speech
At the Labour Party conference the police held an 82 year old man, Walter Woolfgang, and denied him access to the conference under the EU's "anti terrorist" legislation because he had shouted the word "nonsense" at Jack Straw, who was speaking about Iraq. Terrified the true nature of the laws they have passed on behalf of the EU was escaping too early, the Labour Party stopped the police and begged the man to return to conference.

On October 25th 2005 Miss Maya Evans was arrested under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, for a lone protest at the Cenotaph by reading out the names of the 97 British soldiers killed in the Iraq war. She was arrested by no less than 14 police officers and found guilty at Bow Street Magistrates Court on the 8th December 2005.

Would you hand over our nation, to be ruled by a foreign power, with oppressive laws like these, ? That's what's happening.

We have lost the right to protest
These laws make protest very difficult; if we did hold a General Strike and blockade Westminster it would now require some bravery: the powers the EU has demanded from our government enable it to respond in a way similar to the Chinese government's in Tiaanamen Square should it so wish.

It is no coincidence that since 2004, all MP's offices in Westminster are guarded by police with machine guns, inside and out.

The Governments "terrorism" deception
All these new EU laws, including massive "anti terrorism" acts (recently 2000, 2001, 2005) were passed with the pretence they were only directed at terrorists, or in the case of Asbos, ruffians who terrorise the streets. In each case they are used far more often against ordinary law abiding people, particularly to suppress dissent. (91% of those detained under Terrorism Acts are innocent and have been improperly arrested. Most of the remainder are charged with offences that have nothing to do with terrorism, but cover up over zealous arrests).

We have lost the right to life

Under EU law the "Shoot to kill" policy did not need democratic authorisation. Just two senior police officers authorised the police to kill British people. A democratic vote by Parliament was not required, but even that would not have legalised the killing under British common law. A recent victim was an innocent Brazilian, Jean de Menezes, shot dead in Stockwell underground station, even though he was being held down by police officers at the time of the execution. The police used dum-dum bullets, outlawed under the Geneva Convention because they blow a man to pieces inside.

The police can no longer be convicted for killing innocent people - Philip Prout shot at Lewannick in East Cornwall is just one of 30 people shot dead by police since 1992 when corpus juris crept in. At least one was shot in the back; most were no threat to anyone. Not once since 1992 has a policeman been convicted of any crime for these murders.

Have you noticed this growing police state?

In addition to many more laws than those above, add the 107,000 regulations, and whole bureaucracies such as VOSA building up networks of cameras and databases to record our movements and criminalise us when we can't comply. Persecution is no longer confined to motorists; under EU Corpus Juris our courts have become extensions of government power instead of independent arbiters of justice.

Westminster had passed sufficient of the EU's oppressive laws (the "harmonisation" in the Treaties) by the end of 2004 that we have been living in what is legally a police state since then. But at the moment, its only one per cent enforced. After the Queen signs the sixth Treaty, the EU has the absolute power to enforce 100% of its regulations and laws.


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Wednesday, 12 January 2011

Obama doesn't like us anymore.

Oh dear, the black muslim currently destroying the United States of America, has decided that the curly haired rat, Nicolas Sarkozy, is now his best friend, along with the French people, and the several million muslims that currently reside there.

So, for your delectation, here's a picture of an enormous pair of tits.




I never understood the mewling sycophancy with which the British government spoke of "the special relationship", the only way I see that relationship as special is in connection with the quality of the American leaders, both of whom appear to be special needs!
And who gives a monkeys if the French want to suck up to Obama?
Britain is capable, and always has been, of standing on her own two feet and fighting her own battles, so talk of this special relationship is greatly exaggerated, and when we clear our political establishment of these communists and appeasers, we'll show the world why this country was once called great, and why we need neither the French or Americans as nothing more than trading partners.

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Sunday, 9 January 2011

Kiddy fiddlers!

As you might expect, the television political shows are talking of the atrocious and continuing abuse of young white girls by these mucky muslims. Nicky Campbell, a mindless, politically correct prick from Scotland, was more concerned about steering the conversation away from the BNP than he is about the welfare of these girls, and that silly cow Ann Cryer; Labour MP and good little marxist, constantly tried to defend comments from that Blackburn based, hook nosed commie sh*te, Jack Straw, that these offences are limited to a small, specific group of Pakistani males.

This is complete and utter bollocks!

The urge to hump our children runs right through the muslim community, and isn't just limited to a small group, and the proof of this is something called Mufa'khathat.
A direct translation of this term is, 'placing between the thighs', and is a specific part of islamic teaching that tells muslim males exactly how they can abuse children for their own sexual gratification! It is not limited to a particular group of muslims, all muslims are taught about this!

The constant lying by the establishment as to just how dangerous islam is to the indigenous peoples of these islands, is reflected in a closer look at this disgusting area of islam.

A few weeks ago on this site, I put a post on about just this subject, adding a video that had the Ayatollah of Iran saying that children as young as a month old could be abused in this way!

Also, under sharia law, a muslim man can penetrate the child anally for his own sexual gratification, but yet again, the media examination of this subject is guided away from the truth and shoved into the corner by these goddamned PC liberals and Labour appeasers in an attempt to lessen the impact and restrict knowledge of such things, but Jack Straws defence of such behaviour shouldn't come as too much of a shock, seeing as how his brother is a convicted paedophile!!

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Thursday, 6 January 2011

Muslim sexual abuse of white children.

This disgusting habit has been going on for years, with nationalists shouting about it to the establishment, and the establishment shouting back that we were racists, only stories about this grooming by Pakistani muslim males have started to appear in the press, still the establishment chooses to deny and cover up the behaviour of this backward and barbaric religion.

This first example is from 2007.

August 11, 2007
Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed
Lucy Bannerman and Richard Ford


A hidden world in which Asian men “groom” young white girls for sex has been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse offences.

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

Both men pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to abduction, sexual activity with a child and the supply of a controlled drug.

Despite being told explicitly by police and social services that both girls were under-age and should be returned to care, the men picked up one girl from a children’s home in Blackburn and then drove on to collect her friend who was living in temporary foster care in North Wales.
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* An ugly pattern of abuse emerges

* Mother tells how daughter, 14, was groomed

Naveed, from Burnley, gave one girl the first of five Ecstasy tablets at a motorway service station before having sex with her on the back seat of the car while the group drove back to Lancashire. The court was told that the two men later took the girls to an address in Blackburn where Hussain, from Blackburn, had sex with the second girl and gave her a total of ten Ecstasy tablets.

Yesterday Judge Andrew Gilbart, QC, jailed the two Asian men under new sex laws designed to protect youngsters from being groomed for sexual activity. Judge Gilbart said: “This is a truly shocking offence. You knew them. They were exploited for sex by the two of you. No other description is possible. They were under-age girls who you knew it was your responsibility to protect and not exploit.”

The trial came amid growing concern at the attitudes of some Asian men towards white girls which campaigners for women claim few people wish to address.

Parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labelled racist.

Ann Cryer, a Labour member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, has been at the forefront of attempting to tackle the problem after receiving complaints from mothers in her constituency about young Asian men targeting their under-age daughters.

Although campaigners claim that hundreds of young girls are already being passed around men within the Asian community for sex, she said that attempts to raise the problem with community leaders had met with little success, with most of them being in a state of denial about it.

After the case, the mother of one of the girls, who cannot be named for legal reasons, welcomed the jail terms. “This will hopefully act as a warning to others,” the woman said. She had had to leave the court as details of the men’s sexual relations with the teenagers were read out. After the trial, Ms Cryer said that young Asian men were caught between two cultures having been brought up in a Western society in families while retaining the cultural values of the Asian sub-continent.

She said: “The family and cultural norms of their community means they are expected to marry a first cousin or other relative back in a village in Mirapur or wherever the family comes from. Therefore, until that marriage is arranged they look out for sex.

“At the point in their lives when they are ready for this sort of activity, Asians cannot go to Asian girls because it would be a terrible breach of the honour of the community and their family to have sex with an Asian girl before marriage.” She said that the reason Asian men targeted very young white girls was because older white girls knew that a relationship with an Asian youth was unlikely to last as the community would seek an arranged marriage with someone from the Asian sub- continent. Police and groups campaigning to protect women insisted that the grooming of youngsters is not segregated along race lines, though there is concern at the attitudes of some young Asian men towards white girls.

Parents claim that criminal networks are able to prey on young girls because the authorities are reluctant to tackle the issue for fear of upsetting race relations in areas of the North West with large ethnic minority communities.

However, Ms Cryer added: “I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.”


The cowardice of the police forces, and the spineless appeasement by the numerous governments that have refused to confront this despicable crime, have allowed it to continue for far longer than it should have been, the government and police forces should be charged with aiding and abetting.

This next piece is again from the Times.

"In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child. Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community.

Several police sources have told The Times that those convicted represent only a small proportion of what one detective described as a “tidal wave” of offending that has been uncovered in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Greater Manchester and some Midlands counties.

A senior West Mercia detective has now called for an end to the “damaging taboo” surrounding gang-led on-street grooming, which he blames on a fear among police and child protection workers of being branded racist. Detective Chief Inspector Alan Edwards said: “These girls are being passed around and used as meat. To stop this type of crime you need to start talking about it, but everyone’s been too scared to address the ethnicity factor. No one wants to stand up and say that Pakistani guys in some parts of the country are recruiting young white girls and passing them around their relatives for sex, but we need to stop being worried about the racial complication.”


This is yet another threat we Britons face from the ever encroaching islam. Time to put a lid on this bucket of crap, and send it back to the toilet it came from.

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Tuesday, 4 January 2011

GERMANS LEAD THE WAY.

The German nationalists are leading the way to success by agreeing to a merger of their two biggest parties.
This is something that British nationalists need to take very seriously, especially if we want to have the chance to create the changes that will liberate our countries from the grip of communism.
Read this.


German far-right parties announce merger.


Two cash-strapped German far-right parties said on Thursday that they have agreed to merge ahead of an election-heavy year when voters in seven of the country's 16 states go to the polls.

The German National Democratic Party (NPD) and the smaller German People's Union (DVU) said that their leaders had signed an agreement on Wednesday creating the new party, "NPD - The People's Union", from January 1.

"What we have achieved is the creation of one strong and unified right-wing party," NPD leader Matthias Faust said in a statement.

"The election in Saxony-Anhalt (in eastern Germany) in March will show that it will be easier in future to bring national policies into (state) parliaments.

"The subsequent domino effect will bring further successes for the national opposition."

Earlier this year Germany became engulfed in a debate about immigration sparked by a book by a central banker who said Europe's biggest economy was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants.

NPD officials welcomed the book, which became a best-seller. Polls showed considerable sympathy for some of its arguments, leading to fears that a populist party with a charismatic leader could win considerable support.

But neither the NPD nor the DVU, which have been beset by major financial problems and falling membership, have appeared to benefit and neither party has ever had any seats in the federal parliament.

The NPD, formed in 1964, has six seats in the regional parliament of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and eight in Saxony, both in the depressed former communist east of the country where unemployment and poverty rates are high.

The DVU, created by millionaire Gerhard Frey in 1971, has one seat in the parliament of the western city state of Bremen. It says it has around 4,000 members while the NPD was estimated in 2009 to have 6,000-7,000.

Voters go the polls in Hamburg in February, in Saxony-Anhalt, Baden-Wuerttemberg and Rhineland-Palatinate in March, in Bremen in May and in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and Berlin in September.

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Sunday, 2 January 2011

No more pulling punches!

New years day, I read my e-mails to find another piece of literary excrement from that tubby, brown nosed myopic mole, Tony "the" Walley, and his fellow residents on the twitsntwats website.



Now I wouldn't usually encourage you to look at the drooling, marxist bullsh*t that oozes from every pore of the skankiest collection of communist garbage to be found in this fair city, but you should this time, because this will give you an example of why this city is in such dire straits.

One of my new years resolutions is to stop being diplomatic and highlight the problems this city faces straight on, I am fed up of being expected to pussyfoot around subjects such as immigration because these politically correct, liberal anuses shout racist if you dare say anything negative about the effects of being bred out of our own country.
But these same far left dross always manage to dodge the most important question, which is this; When do the electorate get to have their say on immigration, and our enforced membership of the EU?
They talk about community empowerment when what they really mean but are too afraid to say, is immigrant enpowerment.

Remember, these people commenting are for the most part Labour party members/supporters/voters, the very same people responsible for the shocking condition of what used to be a thriving industrial city!

Read this crap and understand that these people are the enemy of this city, its traditions and heritage.


Arrested [Updated 1845]

20 Dec 2010
Posted by Mike Rawlins


Four men from Stoke-on-Trent have been arrested as part of a counter terrorism operation across the UK this morning seeing 12 men arrested.
The men – five from Cardiff, four from Stoke and three from London – were detained on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism in the UK (Terrorism Act 2000) during a number of raids across the UK by unarmed officers at 5am this morning.
The operation is being led by DAC Stuart Osborne Senior National Coordinator Terrorist Investigations, and coordinated from the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit. It also involves the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command, South Wales Police and Staffordshire Police.
The 4 men from Stoke-on-trent were arrested at or near their home addresses, with the exception of one suspect who was at a domestic property in Birmingham.
Searches are now being conducted at the home addresses, plus the address in Birmingham and another residence in London.
The men arrested are
• Male aged 28 from Cardiff
• Male aged 26 from Cardiff
• Male aged 25 from Cardiff
• Male aged 24 from Cardiff
• Male aged 23 from Cardiff
• Male aged 19 from Stoke-on-Trent
• Male aged 26 from Stoke-on-Trent
• Male aged 26 from Stoke-on-Trent
• Male ages 25 from Stoke-on-Trent
• Male aged 20 from London
• Male aged 28 from London
• Male aged 17 from London
Assistant Commissioner John Yates, national lead for counter terrorism policing, said:
This is a large scale, pre-planned and intelligence led operation involving several forces.
The operation is in its early stages so we are unable to go into detail at this time about the suspected offences. However, I believe it was necessary at this time to take action in order to ensure public safety.
Officers from the local NPU are highly visible in the area of the raids to reassure local residents and flyers with information to keep residents informed are being handed out.
At 18:30 Chief Superintendent Bernie O’Reilly, Stoke on Trent Divisional Commander issued the following statement
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This afternoon we met with community leaders following today’s early morning raids which took place as part of a national, pre-planned counter terrorism operation.
The meeting was called to help us understand local community concerns and to offer support and reassurance to people in the area following the arrest of 12 men in Stoke-on-Trent, South Wales and London, on suspicion of terrorism offences.
We only act against individuals about whom there is reasonable suspicion that they may be engaged in criminal acts. All communities want to feel safe and be safe.
We work hard on a daily basis to maintain the strong community relations we have here in Stoke-on-Trent and we do not take those relations for granted.
Throughout the day, local neighbourhood officers have been in the Stoke-on-Trent area talking with residents. Officers have also delivered a series of information leaflets.
In recent months, communities in our city have been affected by a number of significant incidents,, not connected with today’s events, and cohesion has been tested. However we are determined to continue to develop the trust we’ve built as we work to keep our communities safe and reassured.
I want to take this opportunity to re-assure everyone that police are absolutely committed to thoroughly investigating those incidents and to do everything we can to ensure offenders are brought to justice.
Finally, can I thank local people for their patience and understanding and urge residents to engage with their local community police officers who are in the area to offer support and reassurance.








Is this in connection with
Submitted by Ian Norris on 20 Dec 2010 at about 10:43.
Is this in connection with hanley mosque
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No mate, it's to do with a
Submitted by webby on 20 Dec 2010 at about 13:45.
No mate, it's to do with a suspected plot against the public at large.
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It seems like raids where
Submitted by Warren Lloyd on 20 Dec 2010 at about 13:50.
It seems like raids where made on addresses in Shelton, Cobridge and Tunstell. Action was taken by the Police force to stop what seemed to be attacks, planed by a radical a Islamic group or groups, on cities in Europe much like the ones carried out in Mumbai.
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I'm just waiting for the
Submitted by David Perry on 20 Dec 2010 at about 20:11.
I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to come along and say all muslims are terrorists and that mosques are training and recruitment facilities.
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David, nothing above mentions
Submitted by Ian Norris on 20 Dec 2010 at about 21:54.
David, nothing above mentions them being muslim.
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Never said it did. If you had
Submitted by David Perry on 21 Dec 2010 at about 00:27.
Never said it did.
If you had any common sense you'd have realised my post was about people who assume all terrorists are muslim, not about the suspects themselves.
Never mind.
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oh bugger david perry. This
Submitted by Guest on 20 Dec 2010 at about 21:15.
oh bugger david perry.
This religion breeds hatred and this hatred produces these potential killers.
You wanna keep thinking its a safe religion and a peacefull one then your at risk but dont put everyone else at risk around you by stopping those that are doing something about this horrible religion.
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Guest:oh bugger david
Submitted by David Perry on 21 Dec 2010 at about 00:48.
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oh bugger david perry.
Whilst I'm flattered by the offer I'm going to have to say no, more into fish pie than chocolate fudgecake.
Guest:
This religion breeds hatred and this hatred produces these potential killers.
You wanna keep thinking its a safe religion and a peacefull one then your at risk but dont put everyone else at risk around you by stopping those that are doing something about this horrible religion.
Sounds like paranoia, an excuse just to hate in itself. If it wasn't muslims I'm sure it would someone else.
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Guest:oh bugger david
Submitted by OWD POTTER on 21 Dec 2010 at about 18:11.
Guest:
oh bugger david perry.
This religion breeds hatred and this hatred produces these potential killers.
You wanna keep thinking its a safe religion and a peacefull one then your at risk but dont put everyone else at risk around you by stopping those that are doing something about this horrible religion.
Crackin logic there, Let's examine this way of 'thinking' shall we?
So, to follow this 'logic' ALL Irish people and or all catholics are terrorists as well are they?
I mean, all members of the IRA were Irish, and catholics,
Not all muslims are terrorists and all terrorists aren't muslims,
But for the hard of thinkers and the racists it's easier to think that way it suits their pre formed prejudice,
These men haven't even been to court yet, let alone tried and found guilty, but little details like that never bother the tourch n pitchfork mob,
IF they are tried and IF they are found guilty, then I hope the law comes down hard on them,
But I still won't blame every follower of a religion for their crimes.
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And some just hate on
Submitted by Ian Norris on 21 Dec 2010 at about 07:02.
And some just hate on political or sexuality grounds rather then religion .
Looks like you have had your Christmas wish granted, enjoy
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David, don't waste your
Submitted by Warren Lloyd on 21 Dec 2010 at about 08:20.
David, don't waste your breath dude, they are going to come out with the tried and tested old shit to try to spread fear and hearted.
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In case I've missed the point
Submitted by terry turbo on 21 Dec 2010 at about 10:13.
In case I've missed the point here, these scumbags planned to kill and maim ordinary people out doing their Christmass shopping didn't they?
Its them spreading the fear and hatred nobody else.
It was only last week there were those calling for terrorists charges on someone who broke a window and set some fires in a Mosque.
These b******* planned to murder a many people as possible, or am I being "paranoid".
I suppose someone will trot out the old excuse "its all our fault anyway".
The thought that they could have hit this city is frightning.
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As if by magic....
Submitted by David Perry on 21 Dec 2010 at about 10:33.
As if by magic....
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Too right Ian.
Submitted by terry turbo on 21 Dec 2010 at about 11:15.
Too right Ian.
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Terry, Terry, Terry. As far
Submitted by Mitch on 21 Dec 2010 at about 16:22.
Terry, Terry, Terry. As far as the law's concerned no one's plotted anything. Or are you unfamiliar with that peculiarly British concept 'innocent until proven otherwise'?
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Sod it... penneth's worth
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 21 Dec 2010 at about 21:06.
Sod it... penneth's worth inbound!
Just what are you and the other Uber soldats defending from the relentless tide of Islamification Terry?
If you don't cherish due process, I must admit you've got me puzzled.
As I understand it only 7% of all those ever held under this anti terror legislation have been convicted. So please - take a cold shower and try to use "scumbag" more sparingly.
I'll tell you what I find frightening Mr Terry Turbo... it's how you and your ilk seem hellbent on causing racial tension and damaging community relations. My daughter works and lives alone in a predominantly muslim neighbourhood, she doesn't need your John Bullshit crusade.
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good job they never arrested
Submitted by Ian Norris on 21 Dec 2010 at about 23:55.
good job they never arrested anyone under terrorist act for the fire in the mosque, they would have likly got off.
tonyjohnt did terry mention islam he said terrorists, like those wh attacked mosque you called terrorists.
as yet no one has been charged for any planning or attack yet, yet both you and david are claiming muslims have been arrested.
even the local cllrs claims they are unaware which section of communty has been arrested.
let police do there job on both cases, and if anyone saw group lads dragging or rolling 100m of yellow piping please inform the police
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Ian Norris:good job they
Submitted by OWD POTTER on 23 Dec 2010 at about 11:21.
Ian Norris:
good job they never arrested anyone under terrorist act for the fire in the mosque, they would have likly got off.
tonyjohnt did terry mention islam he said terrorists, like those wh attacked mosque you called terrorists.
as yet no one has been charged for any planning or attack yet, yet both you and david are claiming muslims have been arrested.
even the local cllrs claims they are unaware which section of communty has been arrested.
let police do there job on both cases, and if anyone saw group lads dragging or rolling 100m of yellow piping please inform the police
Those responsible for the attack on the mosque, CARRIED OUT an 'act of terror' therefore, regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexuality, or motives, it is quite reasonable to refer to them as terrorists who carried out a terrorist attack, The fact that they failed to cause an explosion, and no one was killed or injured, is irrelevant, the INTENTION was there,
The men arrested recently, have been arrested on SUSPICION, of PLANNING to carry out a terrorist attack, (see the diference there)?
and if these men SUSPECTED of PLANNING to carry out a terrorist attack, are eventually charged, tried, & found guilty, then, regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexuality, or motives, I hope the law comes down them hard and heavy and that they are jailed for a very long time.
Thats how it's supposed to work isn't it? I mean, that's what's supposed to make US the "good guys" 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law'?
OR should we depend on mob justice? perhaps hanging or beheading in the street, hey, why not stone them to death, or chop limbs off?...........OH, NO, wait,.........Thats almost the same as that sharia law, and we DON'T want that here do we?..... DO we??
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Submitted by Ian Norris on 23 Dec 2010 at about 14:53.
It is indeed don't think I said any different, just that tony and David seem to know who did what before anyone been charged. All gone quiet.
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Ian Norris:It is indeed don't
Submitted by David Perry on 23 Dec 2010 at about 18:40.
Ian Norris:
It is indeed don't think I said any different, just that tony and David seem to know who did what before anyone been charged. All gone quiet.
Why? Because all I did was mention that the rabid anti-muslims would be coming out the woodwork? I can't quite understand how you interpret my posts to that effect as knowing who did what before anyone has been charged. Explain your logic, if there is any?
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your bought Muslims into the
Submitted by Ian Norris on 23 Dec 2010 at about 20:12.
your bought Muslims into the thread before any had been implied, you say it was bait for the anties is that wise when all are calling for calm in the communities.
In the mosque thread you were happy to allow anties to be implied as involved, when again no charges were made.
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Submitted by David Perry on 23 Dec 2010 at about 21:47.
Let's try using logic, something I'm now convinced you are devoid of, more into noodle-brained emotional based thinking.
Logic suggests that someone trying to blow up a mosque has an issue with the building. Unless of course it's an inside job(to create sympathy) or an insurance job. However, given the background of the suspects, and the lack of any insurance, that probably rules either out. As for common garden variety vandals, their means were a bit too elaborate.
Experience of the last few years tells me that whenever a terror related incident takes place, the finger generally gets pointed at muslims, unless of course the suspects prove to be otherwise. However, as one of the local suspects has been named as Abu Bosher and some of the other suspects are known to be Bangladeshi in origin, it kind of puts the nail in that one. Yet again, I'll spell out in simple terms that I was merely anticipating the Islamophobic diatribe from the usual suspects. If this simple logic doesn't register with you then there really is no hope for you is there?
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However, given the background of the suspects, and the lack of any insurance, that probably rules either out. As for common garden variety vandals, their means were a bit too elaborate.
What are the suspects backgrounds? have they been identified? or just jumping to conclusions based on more stereotypes
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Are you for real? They were
Submitted by David Perry on 24 Dec 2010 at about 10:34.
Are you for real? They were white non-muslim teenagers.
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where has that been reported?
Submitted by Ian Norris on 24 Dec 2010 at about 17:44.
where has that been reported?
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Submitted by Ian Norris on 23 Dec 2010 at about 18:25.
Tonyjohnt, care to make your mind up
1st its Terry and his Ilk fault for creating hatred and tension within our communities.
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I'll tell you what I find frightening Mr Terry Turbo... it's how you and your ilk seem hellbent on causing racial tension and damaging community relations. My daughter works and lives alone in a predominantly muslim neighbourhood, she doesn't need your John Bullshit crusade.
Then you blame Our past Labour Government for creating hatred and tension within our communities.
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I say "enough"! Maybe they'll stop hating us when we stop invading them for their resources.
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Me and Mr Perry might come
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 23 Dec 2010 at about 19:13.
Me and Mr Perry might come across as some conspiracy Ian, but I can assure you we have never met. If we ever did, I fear the magic would be lost.
What we share is the uncontrollable urge to challenge these thick nazi bastards. Who, on one hand proudly display their racist credentials, then call us lefty fascists for branding them racists!!!
Twas I who twittered the Sentinel and got the mosque attack thread pulled. You do know most muslims love their kids and watch X Factor?
Oh, and BTW - a pox on the Labour Party.
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not sure what you mean about
Submitted by Ian Norris on 23 Dec 2010 at about 19:56.
not sure what you mean about conspiracy - the 2 quotes about hate were from yourself, you conceed their is hate within communities but are unclear who the hate is aimed at 1st you blame the Right for stiring then you Blame the Left for Invading.
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Oh Ian - you can be hard
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 24 Dec 2010 at about 08:19.
Oh Ian - you can be hard going at times bud. Stick to the microcosm of Stokie politics (you're much more convincing).
Do you not understand, that when a political party win an election (or not), they DON'T become the Government... rather, a part of it? Would you seriously suggest that the Crusades in Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't have happened under a Tory administration? They were in the driving seat when we first had a crack at Saddam. Remember? Would the banking crisis have been avoided by the plutocrats? And before you pull me up for calling them the Party of the rich - take a passing glance at the cabinet.
Dave Perry is right too. The prop machine we laughingly call the media have made "terrorist" and "muslim" synonymous to a great many people.
I am distancing myself from Labour. They've had my vote. They've never owned my hide.
As for blaming the muslims, read Guest @ 20:15 on 20th December and all Terry's posts below. I really am tiring of the hate that dares not speak it's name.
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So your grievance is with the
Submitted by Ian Norris on 24 Dec 2010 at about 17:40.
So your grievance is with the state and the money men for invading and creating the reason WE are hated with communities, fair enough.
So if BNP feed off the fear and hatred caused by the States liberal bombing and killing campaigns, why attack BNP.
Attack the state for providing the source of hatred in the first place
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Jeez Ian, you're like a
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 24 Dec 2010 at about 18:35.
Jeez Ian, you're like a drunken friend of mine who reads shit loads of philosophy. It doesn't make him clever - just argumentative.
YES, I hate the State. It's the new heresy though. Our boys are heroes and America stands for all that's good and right. The way this dreadful government are going we won't have an NHS or Welfare State to be proud of soon.
It is Christmas bud. Even atheists like me enjoy a mid winter piss up. Get the ball out and let's have a kick about. I'm back in the trenches on Monday though.
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"I'll tell you what I find
Submitted by terry turbo on 21 Dec 2010 at about 22:10.
"I'll tell you what I find frightening Mr Terry Turbo... it's how you and your ilk seem hellbent on causing racial tension and damaging community relations".
Just how am I causing racial tension and damaging community relations commenting on a news report?
Is nobody allowed an opinion on Islamic terrorists or terrorism?
Maybe if we bury our heads in the sand they will go away?
7% how many did it take in London?
I do not want to see that again so whatever the police do to avert it I will be happy.
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Who's got their armies in
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 23 Dec 2010 at about 15:57.
Who's got their armies in who's countries? Heroes? Would they be people risking life and limb to shop for basic provisions?
I say "enough"! Maybe they'll stop hating us when we stop invading them for their resources. Watch Mugabe's violation of human rights become important now a huge diamond belt has been found in Zimbabwe.
Nowt sickens me like HYPOCRISY.
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The problem in this country
Submitted by terry turbo on 23 Dec 2010 at about 18:58.
The problem in this country is the failure to recognise that this is not a protest about Afghanistan, Iraq, or anywhere else.
Look to their leaflets put out by Islamic extremists, and their teachings.
This is about religion.
They all inform of their hatred of Jews, Christians, and anybody that is not Muslim, and what they should do to the "Kuffar" "unbeliever" whatever.
Their ultimate goal is complete Islamification of the world.
They have been aided and abetted by our Government by being "left alone" in a "gentleman's agreement" since the 1990s in the hope hat they would not turn against the country that nurtured them so generously.
They have been allowed to preach their hatred in the streets (with Police protection) in the Mosques and in their schools, and the governments sat back and did nothing.
The result of this policy was 7/7, but it still did not wake them up.
Now the problem is at such a level that these people feel they are untouchable.
Labours experiment with multiculturalism has failed spectacularly, and harmed already stable communities as Labour MPs have admitted.
The left has been blinded by the doctrine of "multiculturalism" and paralyzed by the term "Islamophobia"which has been falsely equated with "racism".
This last passage was wrote by an Asian (Dr Hasssan) in his book "Multiculturalism Inconvenient truths".
He goes on to suggest some solutions to the problem including the emphasis on a common identity based on common values instead of stressing -celebrating -difference and the need to break down segregation.
Also the breaking up of the monoculture area's and one law for all.
Owd Potter I believe "Sharia Law" is being operated already in at least 10 city's.
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Bloody fool! Name your 10
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 23 Dec 2010 at about 19:22.
Bloody fool!
Name your 10 cities or shut up. This is PnP not some right wing comic. Do you seriously think I want Islam UK? I wouldn't last 2 minutes!
It isn't going to happen. I certainly don't need cretins like you and Pondlife to protect me anyway.
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Nope, the real problem in
Submitted by David Perry on 23 Dec 2010 at about 21:36.
Nope, the real problem in this country and most others is people on low wages buying into extremism peddled by a small group of whack-jobs with retrospective views on the world. Being a member of the BNP means you have bought into this extreme view of the world.
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Waiting Terry... At least 10
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 23 Dec 2010 at about 19:31.
Waiting Terry...
At least 10 cities with Sharia law...
Waiting...
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
Submitted by terry turbo on 23 Dec 2010 at about 22:09.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ec
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK--How-Islam...
Pick any ten heavily Asian populated city.
So its no debate just insults.
Bloody fool!
whack-jobs
thick nazi bastards.
Last week I said lets wait and see before making any judgements and was shot down.
This week I comment and again am criticized.
Ah well can't please everyone.
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Let's see it from another
Submitted by David Perry on 24 Dec 2010 at about 11:50.
Let's see it from another perspective. How does nationalism actually benefit YOU?
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The onus is on you
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 24 Dec 2010 at about 07:50.
The onus is on you Terry.
Name the 10 cities where Sharia law supercedes English law.
I'll make it easy... name one!
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Did I say Sharia Law
Submitted by terry turbo on 24 Dec 2010 at about 09:59.
Did I say Sharia Law supersedes English law?
Lets stick to the facts.
I have no hidden agenda of hate,there's more than enough of that coming from others here.
I am a tolerant person to a degree like most people.
Anyway peace and goodwill to everyone.
I'm off to enjoy Christmas with my family.
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Submitted by tonyjohnt on 24 Dec 2010 at about 13:28.
Terry Turbo @ 10:13 on 21/12/10. Tolerance my arse.
How dare you ally yourself with earth to Pond all year then claim to be tolerant. I might accept that you don't want brown folk with a different God gassed, if you admit you believe you are somehow superior. I can go back and check, such is the power of PnP.
Happy Winterval Comrade!
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I just popped back to have a
Submitted by terry turbo on 24 Dec 2010 at about 18:28.
I just popped back to have a quick look.
I see the hatred is still here.
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Strange though, don't you
Submitted by Steve Arpo on 28 Dec 2010 at about 10:27.
Strange though, don't you think, that for the second day in a row the Evening Sentinel has barred comments on the Stoke-on-Trent muslim terror plot storyon it's web site. Why?
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Steve Arpo:Strange though,
Submitted by Mark Gobell on 28 Dec 2010 at about 12:19.
Steve Arpo:
Strange though, don't you think, that for the second day in a row the Evening Sentinel has barred comments on the Stoke-on-Trent muslim terror plot storyon it's web site. Why?
Hi Steve.
What particular article are you referring to ?
Do you have a link ?
How do you know that comments are barred ?
Thanks
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http://www.thisisstaffordshir
Submitted by steve.arpo@hotmail.co.uk on 29 Dec 2010 at about 09:01.
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Terror-suspects-charged-allege...
Seems that comments are usually barred for the first few days for articles about muslims on the Sentinel web site. Yet if you want to comment on the fact that Gladys Smith's cat has been lost then there's no problem.
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Very simple answer to that
Submitted by Long Tall Sally on 28 Dec 2010 at about 12:46.
Very simple answer to that one, Steve Arpo - extreme right-wing trolls go so far with their comments that they frequently cross the line into incitement to religious and/or racial hatred. No responsible newspaper can allow it's website to be used to incite hatred to that degree without running the risk of finding itself on the wrong side of the law.
The only surprise is that more comment streams full of vicious prejudice and ill-informed bile don't get closed sooner.
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Thanks Steve. The Daily Mail
Submitted by Mark Gobell on 29 Dec 2010 at about 13:22.
Thanks Steve.
The Daily Mail has this "no comments notice" against a similar article here:
"Sorry we are unable to accept comments for legal reasons."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341865/Nine-men-charged-conspir...
Legal reasons ?
I'm waiting for the Daily Mail to reply to my enquiry.
Have you asked the Sentinel what the problem is ?
Mark
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I think it has something to
Submitted by DrWho on 31 Dec 2010 at about 01:28.
I think it has something to do with some nut job posting links to videos of someones head being cut off.
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The fact that the Editor (Mr
Submitted by terry turbo on 29 Dec 2010 at about 15:15.
The fact that the Editor (Mr Sassi) is left wing and "common purpose" has nothing to do with it?
Take a look at the stories that have the comments withdrawn.
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Generally stories where
Submitted by David Perry on 31 Dec 2010 at about 11:32.
Generally stories where there's ongoing criminal investigations or court cases. It's not just stories surrounding BME where the comments get pulled even though you would try and have us believe otherwise. There's no conspiracy and Sassi is hardly left-wing working for a pro-Tory newspaper group.
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Daily Mail have replied
Submitted by Mark Gobell on 29 Dec 2010 at about 15:43.
Daily Mail have replied saying that any story that is sub-judice they are not permitted to allow comments on.
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Hate to shatter the illusions
Submitted by Tony Walley on 29 Dec 2010 at about 16:13.
Hate to shatter the illusions of one of the city's biggest racist Terry Cope,[another one is banned and in my humble opinion should be prosecuted for incitement for the shit he publishes on his website] but the Mail and the Sentinel are quite right.
Nothing to do with conspiracies Terry, nowt to do with the left wing and even less to do with common purpose. Just everything to do with the British Legal system something that you nationalists [i use the term loosely 'cause they do NOT speak for me!] are always banging on about protecting.
But try not let a fair trial get in the way of your extreme views eh Terry?
I hate racist extreme politics when all you lot really want is civil unrest!
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I'm pretty sure that with
Submitted by Paul on 29 Dec 2010 at about 19:48.
I'm pretty sure that with major crimes it's media protocall to report but not allow comments that may sway ongoing investigations.
It's much more fun to believe it's all a big conspiracy though.
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Good point, and I'm sure West
Submitted by mark Gobell on 29 Dec 2010 at about 20:23.
Good point, and I'm sure West Midlands police have learned the lessons of the way the kidnap plot was covered. West Midlands CTU's first case I believe that was.
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Paul if you want conspiracy
Submitted by Ian Norris on 29 Dec 2010 at about 22:26.
Paul if you want conspiracy check out Inspire magazine (includes guide for using PGP for planning over email) and the alledged cupcake hack
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We report the latest and
Submitted by terry turbo on 29 Dec 2010 at about 22:53.
We report the latest and breaking political news from Stoke-on-Trent City Council and the political parties in the city. Please feel free to join in the discussions on the site but please remember, racist & homophobic comments will not be tolerated nor will personal attacks, libellous, defamatory or abusive comments.
"Hate to shatter the illusions of one of the city's biggest racist Terry Cope".
"I hate racist extreme politics when all you lot really want is civil unrest"!
Oh dear its the season of goodwill and still the poisonous bile and hatred flow from those that profess to have the moral high ground?
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Looks like an abusive,
Submitted by Nicky Davis on 29 Dec 2010 at about 23:05.
Looks like an abusive, defamatory, libellous, personal attack on you there Terry. Racist how? Perhaps Tony doesn't realise Terry that you'd like to hang all politicians from the lamp posts, regardless of race, equality for all lol.
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Terry backs Craig Pond...
Submitted by tonyjohnt on 30 Dec 2010 at about 00:16.
Terry backs Craig Pond... it's a matter of record on here, Nicky. Are you seriously suggesting they don't discriminate on the grounds of race and religion?
Being a godless, yet tolerant person, I indulge all sky pilots. Those who believe in pixies and goblins are foolish - whilst those who believe in a bearded old guy in the sky are civic leaders?
Don't stretch your credibility on here by backing the new blackshirts. It just won't wash.
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Nicky Davis:Looks like an
Submitted by David Perry on 30 Dec 2010 at about 12:48.
Nicky Davis:
Looks like an abusive, defamatory, libellous, personal attack on you there Terry.
Explain how?
To be defamatory (libel is merely the written form of defamation) the allegations have to be both damaging to the individual concerned, and false. Terry's membership of the BNP and comments posted here would destroy any libel action if he chose to take any.
Abusive? Truthful perhaps? No signs of the kind of foul language his mate Craig used to throw around. Personal? No more than he is to anyone else (OK, two wrongs don't make a right but then there's throwing stones in glasshouses...)
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Well it seemed to me that
Submitted by Nicky Davis on 01 Jan 2011 at about 00:48.
Well it seemed to me that Terry was questioning what the Sentinel doesn't allow comments on and reckoned on them being left winged. I couldn't see how an accusation of racism in any way related to that. I agree to a large extent with Tony that one of their main reasons for disallowing comments seems to be in connection with legal cases. But Terry might have somewhat of a point because there are some articles, for example one of the ones on halal, where comments weren't allowed and a legal connection didn't seem obvious. What their reason was though I don't know. Contrary to Terry's view I don't find the Sentinel particularly left winged. Seeing as they are a business thriving in the capitalist system I would tend to put them a little right of centre myself.
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@Ian Norris Do you think the
Submitted by mark Gobell on 30 Dec 2010 at about 07:35.
@Ian Norris
Do you think the Inspire story is credible Ian ?
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Mark Gobell: which story?
Submitted by Ian Norris on 30 Dec 2010 at about 16:38.
Mark Gobell: which story? there are so many angles.
Its a very bizarre publication, a quiet funny in a way well made me smile a few times.
Honey Trap for the foolish, Fanzine by angst teenagers, attempt at creating fear by its existance, or a guide to death and destruction.
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OK you got me. I am a member
Submitted by terry turbo on 30 Dec 2010 at about 16:56.
OK you got me.
I am a member of a legal political party which supposedly makes me racist.
Strange that I always believed that it was no crime to be a member of a political party.
I have now been elevated to the most racist person in the city, even it seems above those charged with planning a bombing campaign. so I will reveal my master plan.
I plan on driving down Broad Street in my newly converted A-team type car with the machine gun on the top, also opening gas ovens on every corner.
The nuclear weapons (I planted last year) in Cobridge, Burslem, Normacot, and Hanley will be detonated (although in Hanley you wont notice).
PILLOCKS!
Nicky, aligning yourself in any way with me will only bring wild accusations of Nazism, mass murder, or guilty by association.
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Next they'll be putting you
Submitted by Andi on 30 Dec 2010 at about 18:04.
Next they'll be putting you in the Gulag !!
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Submitted by David Perry on 30 Dec 2010 at about 18:30.
terry turbo:
OK you got me.
I am a member of a legal political party which supposedly makes me racist.
The two aren't related.
terry turbo:
Strange that I always believed that it was no crime to be a member of a political party.
Nobody said it was, nor has anyone accused you of a crime.
terry turbo:
I have now been elevated to the most racist person in the city even it seems above those charged with planning a bombing campaign.
Maybe their alleged bombing campaign wasn't racially motivated? Religiously motivated perhaps? Anyone with iota of intelligence can see the difference. A cursory glance round most UK cities would reveal the prescence of white British muslim converts who people like Terry choose to ignore the existence of or put it down to "Paki loving sluts" (his sort's words, not mine).
terry turbo:
so I will reveal my master plan.
I plan on driving down Broad Street in my newly converted A-team type car with the machine gun on the top, also opening gas ovens on every corner.
The nuclear weapons (I planted last year) in Cobridge, Burslem, Normacot, and Hanley will be detonated (although in Hanley you wont notice).
PILLOCKS!
Nicky, aligning yourself in any way with me will only bring wild accusations of Nazism, mass murder, or guilty by association.
Now you're just being a dick. No changes there then!!!!
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Mr Perry how is your claim
Submitted by Ian Norris on 30 Dec 2010 at about 21:01.
Mr Perry how is your claim that the alledged attack on hanley mosque was by
David Perry:
Are you for real? They were white non-muslim teenagers.
not rascist, how can you be so sure it was racial motivated? sorry to bring it back up but you failed to answer prevoiusly
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I understood what Perry
Submitted by Steve on 30 Dec 2010 at about 21:36.
I understood what Perry meant. Think you're trying desperately to avoid the possibility that the mosque attack was racially/religiously motivated in any way. Why don't you just come out the closet and vote BNP.
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No I'm saying no one knows
Submitted by Ian Norris on 31 Dec 2010 at about 14:34.
No I'm saying no one knows what actually happened at the Mosque, and is David Perry stirring racialy motives when the community is calling for calm really needed
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It's obvious that the chief
Submitted by Andi on 30 Dec 2010 at about 23:12.
It's obvious that the chief inspector does not have an iota of intelligence then Mr Perry. Taken from Friday 3rd December Sentinel -
Chief Inspector Wayne Jones told The Sentinel at a press conference this afternoon: “The perpetrators tried to use gas from premises next door to damage the mosque."
He added: “At this stage we are treating this incident as a racist attack on a religious building.
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Andi:It's obvious that the
Submitted by David Perry on 31 Dec 2010 at about 11:27.
Andi:
It's obvious that the chief inspector does not have an iota of intelligence then Mr Perry. Taken from Friday 3rd December Sentinel -
Chief Inspector Wayne Jones told The Sentinel at a press conference this afternoon: “The perpetrators tried to use gas from premises next door to damage the mosque."
He added: “At this stage we are treating this incident as a racist attack on a religious building.
The alleged terrorists are allegedly engaged in religious hatred ie all kuffers regardless of race.
However, the people that tried to blow up the mosque probably did so because it's going to be "used by Pakis". It's not hard to imagine that's what came out when they were being questioned and why the chief inspector came to his conclusion. A lot of people locally differentiate between being English and being muslim, even though one's a nationality and one's a religion, and someone can be both.
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well we shell have to wait
Submitted by Ian Norris on 31 Dec 2010 at about 14:24.
well we shell have to wait for legal due course (if anyone is ever charged) to see if your view is superior or just plain bigotry
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Ian, it was not me who said
Submitted by Andi on 31 Dec 2010 at about 16:28.
Ian, it was not me who said "Maybe their alleged bombing campaign wasn't racially motivated? Religiously motivated perhaps? Anyone with iota of intelligence can see the difference." was Mr Perry.
And it was not me who said "At this stage we are treating this incident as a racist attack on a religious building." was Chief Inspector Wayne Jones.
Mr Perry making wild and over generalised suggestions about anyone he wishes to pigeon hole !
I have not made the comment with any superior view or of a bigotry nature, it is made quoting others comments !
Andi
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@andi :) sorry I was repling
Submitted by Ian Norris on 31 Dec 2010 at about 16:35.
@andi :) sorry I was repling to Mr Perry, not to you Andi.
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Sounds like Perry's rattling
Submitted by Steve on 31 Dec 2010 at about 18:11.
Sounds like Perry's rattling a few cages!! By far one of the most intelligent posters on this site. I certainly agree with his assertion about logic and emotion.
His comment about what the chief inspector has said makes perfect sense. Just because a mosque is a religious building doesn't mean the incident there wasn't racially motivated. Given a lot of people locally seem to equate being muslim as being Asian it's easy to see how that mindset has been turned around by the authorities. MAYBE the chief inspector came to his conclusion because of what the suspects said during questioning? MAYBE they referred to "Pakis" rather than muslims? Is it so difficult for people like Norris and Andi not to grasp these simple ideas? MAYBE it's because they've had cushy lives and never worn a uniform?
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Steve, I have never used the
Submitted by Andi on 01 Jan 2011 at about 10:00.
Steve,
I have never used the terms M*****, A****, or P***.
I find it unusual that you have a decisive view about Mr Perry, but then comment in such an undecidedly way about the subject matter of the article.
If the problems of which this article refers, was so "simple" to resolve why haven't you simply resolved them ??
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Steve: where has it been
Submitted by Ian Norris on 01 Jan 2011 at about 10:53.
Steve: where has it been reported that the suspects are white non-muslim as mr perry claims?
and Chief Inspector Wayne Jones above comments was made before any arrests were made, kind of blows away your logic about interviews their
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Terry, it might be in bad
Submitted by Nicky Davis on 01 Jan 2011 at about 01:03.
Terry, it might be in bad taste but I have to laugh at that - not noticing whether Hanley is nuked because it looks as if it has been anyway. You'd better watch though, you might have the police round wanting to sieze your machine gun and nuclear weapons stash not realising tongue was firmly in cheek when you made the comment. I'm not aligning myself with you (I'm non-aligned), as you know I've disagreed with you on certain right winged policies (whatever party or group you're with now) you agree with such as capital punishment and grammar schools. However it still seemed to me you were being got at for having a go at the Sentinel and common purpose and I didn't see how race comes into that (... or is common purpose a new race). Can't say I've ever been accused of being a nazi or a mass murderer - bit tricky seeing as I'm a bit of a pacifist.
Nicky Davis - non-party political activist - a firm believer in grass roots democracy and strong local communities.
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Nicky you noticed it as
Submitted by terry turbo on 01 Jan 2011 at about 22:24.
Nicky you noticed it as well.
I meant if you sided with me on any subject you will be accused, not politicaly.
I know that from our past debates.
As for the machine gun thats hidden in the Christmas tree, and the nukes are disguised as speed humps,after all there are so many no one would ever be able to find them.
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new
Terry I think you should take
Submitted by Nicky Davis on 02 Jan 2011 at about 19:28.
Terry I think you should take up comedy, that speed hump joke's a cracker.
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@Ian Norris: which story?
Submitted by mark Gobell on 30 Dec 2010 at about 18:05.
@Ian Norris:
which story? there are so many angles.
Its a very bizarre publication, a quiet funny in a way well made me smile a few times.
Honey Trap for the foolish, Fanzine by angst teenagers, attempt at creating fear by its existence, or a guide to death and destruction.
Any or all of them. you seem to have the options & angles covered.
So which one do you think it might be ?
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mark, I just think its good
Submitted by Ian Norris on 31 Dec 2010 at about 08:23.
mark, I just think its good conspiracy esp the cupcake virus. but at a push i'd go for teenage fanzine,
how about you?
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Terry, no mate, your not the
Submitted by Warren Lloyd on 30 Dec 2010 at about 18:53.
Terry, no mate, your not the biggest racest in this city, Pondo and Stokesy are far worse.
Caring for the city and all within it.
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Well, to me it is clear that
Submitted by Mark Gobell on 31 Dec 2010 at about 08:32.
Well, to me it is clear that it's the latest initiative to disseminate faux propaganda and encourage some idiots to download it and be impressed by it. The usual suspects are endorsing it, IntelCenter, SITE et al, so that to be has always been a guide as to who the real authors are.
I quote, Inspire Mag Issue 3 Page 11
"Obama stood in front of the world with a terrified face announcing that his nation is being threatened by terrorism (i.e. real Islam)"
It's just pathetic.
Real Islam = Terrorism.
Geddit ?
So who is writing this stuff and who's interests does it serve ?
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does it no serve both sides
Submitted by Ian Norris on 31 Dec 2010 at about 16:29.
does it no serve both sides interest.
Security forces/ Governments can maintain High level of fear, justifyinh higher levels of spending and possible more occupation levels.
For the Terrorists it Maintains public face and aid to radicalisation, which is no doubt help by rumours of White non-muslims planning attacks of terrorism against mosques.
And I thought they would settle at a Royal wedding keeping the population content.
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Whatever the truth is, it
Submitted by Mark Gobell on 31 Dec 2010 at about 18:15.
Whatever the truth is, it isn't what is being presented imo. No surprises there.
Those that are inspired by that, both for and against, need to think about what is inspiring them, who is motivating them, and why.
There's also an overdue legislative review of terrorism laws imminent, so positions are being established.
Happy New Year everyone.
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Bloody hell Warren from
Submitted by terry turbo on 30 Dec 2010 at about 20:53.
Bloody hell Warren from number one to number three.
Will have to baynet some baybees lol.
I wish you a happy new year Warren.
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And you Terry, and I know
Submitted by Warren Lloyd on 31 Dec 2010 at about 06:33.
And you Terry, and I know what you do with your RA and your about as racest as me, not at all. We are all worried about Islamic extremists, but we must trust the the police and others to sort it out, and please tell Pondo that that there is no proof that any 'mussie dress in a Semtex vest',- his words not mine- was going to attack the Potteries Shopping Centre.
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Warren, last year I invited
Submitted by terry turbo on 31 Dec 2010 at about 08:41.
Warren, last year I invited PnPs down to see the progress Me and the R/A had achieved on the Hoskins estate.
They did not show up
We had a very bad A/S/B problem, we cut that in half last year.
This year we have done even better.
We had racial problems on the estate.
I personally went and visited the families and gave them my phone number if they had any problems, and also warned off the ones causing the trouble.
We got a youngsters football team going with an Asian volley ball team playing side, (and together) with no problems.
For proof of these statements ask Inspector Mark Harden (Tunstall Police) and councillor Mohammed Matloob.
I ask those who constantly criticise what have you done to help in your community.
I will criticise what I believe to be wrong irrespective of race, colour, or religion, and will not be silenced with accusations of "the biggest racist in the City" or insults.
So Mr Whalley if you believe that shite you posted ban me, I don't give a damn about your opinion.
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No Terry wrong again. You
Submitted by Tony Walley on 31 Dec 2010 at about 11:45.
No Terry wrong again.
You invited me to a community fun day and I said I would get up there if I could. As it happened the event that I was attending went on longer than I thought, as a consequence I couldn't get up to yours.
Why does everything have to be shrouded in a conspiracy with you Terry? Sometimes there is just a plain simple explanation.
What do I base my opinion that you hold racist views on? Simple, you only have to read the comments you leave of the local muslim haters website and the answer screams off the screen at you.
A few examples....
the Chell Heath Racist says:
At this festive time of the year, I would just like to thank Stoke-on-Trent city council for housing murdering terrorist muslim scum in this city.
The Potteries Shopping Centre might need modernising, but not by exploding some bloody immigrant with a semtex waistcoat, and the native people of these parts certainly deserve better than being blown to smithereens whilst out Christmas shopping for their loved ones.
Still, if the muslims of this city would provide a little more effort in ridding their communities of these extremist morons, instead of sitting back and letting this terrorism blossom, they might get an easier ride from those of us who would like to see them go back to their own continent, where they could beat their wives, shag their own children instead of young white girls, and blow the crap out of each other, rather than us and ours.
The council and the politicians need to understand something though, if ever these cowards manage to blow something up in this city, they'd better run for cover, because the backlash against such behaviour won't just fall on the muslims, but also on those that have stuffed our communities full of them.
Not racist, or assuming of guilt Terry? Not incitement Terry? Yet you applaud his every bile ridden post. He is every bit as extreme as that muslim cleric and you are like his disciple.
One of yours now eh...
In answer to this lovely post:
Tunstall, Shelton, and Cobridge are the areas from which the local terror suspects were arrested. These three areas have been allowed to become colonised with pakistani muslims by our communist and appeasing city council.
The PCF suggests you get your Christmas shopping done quickly, before Pakistani muslims blow the place up.
You say...
Comment left By Terry Cope:
When oh when will those in charge take action against these scum and charge them with treason and string them up.
Their appeasing these scum with money-£500,000 and not a single terrorist given up-as failed but still they throw money at them.
And another one on the same hate filled rant...
Terry Cope - I'm not racist honest! posted:
I am a pretty tolerant person but if some bas**** is blowing up my fellow countrymen I become a hell of a intolerant person.
I am not one to turn the other cheek.
Done that, sick of spinning round like a top to satisfy some of the appeasing cowards that this country has bread.
They have this country on its knees "in case they offend".
And there's more..
Another Chell Heath Racist rant ended:
We simply cannot allow this situation to continue.
Kick this hypocritical, two faced lying scum out of our country, and if the establishment that is there to protect these islands and their native peoples refuse to do so, then matters should be taken into our own hands.
If it comes down to the survival of the indigenous people and their culture, or the backward and neaderthal behaviour of these bloody muslims, I know where my loyalties lie.
Enough is enough.
Terry Cope who works for all of the community whatever their colour, race or creed said:
The problem here is quite simple.
The firs duty of the government is to protect its people.
The Government (Labour,and now Conservative) have for the last 10 years deliberately put the lives of the indigionous people at risk.
They do not have the right to rule when they are a risk to life and limb.
They appease scum at every turn while spouting "its only a few of them".
How many do they need?
How many did it take on 9/11 7/7 to slaughter innocent civilians?
Its time we took a hold of this nettle and ripped it out by its roots.
I fear to do that we need someone who is not a spineless coward.
Its certainly not Cameron or Clegg.
I could fill up these pages with examples of your intolerant anti Muslim comments Terry but I'm sure that this will tell all readers all they need to know.
The Chell Heath Racist is now to racist for even the BNP so he's joined the even more intolerant English First Party that is headed locally by former Councillor Mark Leat who was kicked out of the BNP for being too extreme for them. A little bird tells me that you too are a member Terry? You certainly comment on that hate fuelled site too.
I acknowledge that you undertake a large amount of community work Terry but there is an opinion up there in the north of the city that this is all for show and so that you can turn around and say "me racist? - never! Look at all the work I do"
And there in lies the problem Terry to read your comments and you do come across as one of the biggest racists in the city and then the other Terry cites the work he does in the community and we are left wondering... Who is the real Terry Cope?
I banned the Chell Heath Racist because he broke an agreement not to use this site for his own personal attacks. He reneged on the agreement and now after several chances he's banned for life, not by anyone else but me.
I wouldn't ban you Terry because you have always stayed away from the kind of personal abuse that your mate spewed in abundance.
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Reading some of the comments
Submitted by Guest on 01 Jan 2011 at about 12:51.
Reading some of the comments on this story has convinced me that there people in living denial about their racism.
Particularly comments surrounding the mosque attack and the way people are trying their hardest to make us believe there was no racial motivation behind the attack, to the point of almost saying the police don't have a clue what they're doing.
Why are people so scared to be seen by others as being so when they know themselves whether they are not? If you know you are be proud of the fact you are what you are. If you're denying it because you feel it's socially unacceptable where's your personal integrity?
Happy New Year to Stoke-on-Trent, although to a lot it's more like 1911 than 2011.
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Warren, last year I invited
Submitted by terry turbo on 01 Jan 2011 at about 22:09.
Warren, last year I invited PnPs down to see the progress Me and the R/A had achieved on the Hoskins estate.
They did not show up.
No Terry wrong again
You invited me to a community fun day and I said I would get up there if I could. As it happened the event that I was attending went on longer than I thought, as a consequence I couldn't get up to yours.
I invited you.
You don't show up.
Whats wrong about that?
I am now accused of being a racist by the use of someone else's words?
You have used Craig Ponds words to justify your accusation.
I comment on The Mail, Express, Mirror, P,C,F, Telegraph,and England First websites,so I must be responsible for all the posters comments on those sites?
I call terrorists scum, have been doing so since the days of the IRA atrocities, and will never apologise for doing so.
When I called them scum no cries of "racism" were bleated out, but now the terrorists are Muslim I am a racist?
If that is intolerant I again make no apology.
I attacked our "so called leaders"(Blair,Brown,Cameron,Clegg) for being spineless liars.
The first for lying to get thousands of innocent civilians, and British soldiers killed in an illegal war.
The second because he followed and hid the truth.
Both of these spent twelve years appeasing, and allowing Terrorists to enter the country and spout their vile on our streets (with their own protection squad-British Police-) allowing terrorism to grow in our country with no attempt at stopping its rise.
The third and forth, so many lies and promises in such a short time broken.
The new Government "leaders" have shown their yellow streak all down their backs already on so many fronts.
I wouldn't ban you Terry because you have always stayed away from the kind of personal abuse that your mate spewed in abundance.
Oh but its OK for you and others to use personal abuse?
That's called hypocrisy in my book.
Yes I am intolerant to Muslim terrorists, or any terrorist that puts myself and my family in danger.
Again I make no apology, and if its racist because they are Muslims I don't give a damn.

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